100th Episode Special: Lessons in Teaching, Podcasting, and Building an Education Community

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I would say we are officially recording, but Isaac is officially recording,

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the man behind the camera.

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Hey, we are at a special place today because this is our 100th episode.

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Yes, we have made it to 100, which is not as old as I am, even though you like

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to give me birthday cards that say I'm 80.

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So yeah, we are super excited to be here today.

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We're doing something special, and hopefully this is the beginning of a great

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partnership for us with the New Jersey Hall of Fame. If you have not come to

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the New Jersey Hall of Fame, we highly recommend it.

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It's a wonderful spot for field trips.

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And of course, our principal sponsor, New Jersey Teachers Insurance Plan.

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That's right. Teachers Insurance Plan.

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You could check out their website, which is linked in our episode,

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to get a quarter for more information. Teachers Insurance Plan.

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Exceptional auto insurance and exceptional customer care for New Jersey and

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Pennsylvania educational employees. Tried to do it from the dome.

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I normally have my... Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, not bad.

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Not bad. I struggle, but we're hanging in there.

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And we were actually here for Educator Preview Day, the teacher's insurance

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plan, and they really put out a wonderful spread for all sorts of teachers that

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came to encourage field trips for their students.

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And we went right back to school and told our journalism teacher how perfect

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it would be to take his middle school students, as well as any students really

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that are interested in learning about the history of New Jersey.

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We are very happy and excited.

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We are not getting inducted, but we are here to record. Hashtag yet.

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Hashtag yet. That's right. Famous podcaster display. We'll get that up there eventually.

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But no, we're really appreciative of Allie and everybody else here at the New

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Jersey Hall of Fame for helping us out and offering to let us use the space.

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So why don't we head on inside and we'll get into our episode. Woo-hoo. All right.

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We officially got the thumbs up. So I guess we're now officially recording inside

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this amazing space in the New Jersey Hall of Fame. Hey, friend.

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What's going on? Hey, Mr. Right Sally. This is incredibly intimidating. It is.

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Amazing. Really exciting to be here inside this amazing studio.

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Yes. At the New Jersey Hall of Fame.

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Yes. This is normally used as a space, if I'm not wrong, where you're able to interview.

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You pick a Hall of Fame member and you can do like a virtual interview and ask

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them questions and then they respond to you, which is pretty awesome. Yeah, it's really cool.

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I really want to interview Danny DeVito like really, really badly.

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My kids love Danny DeVito. Me too. Yeah.

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Me too. If it ain't Jersey Mike. Yeah. If it ain't freshly sliced.

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It's good stuff. Jersey Mike sponsor us. We like sandwiches.

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So I am Jamie Wonko here with Mr. Joseph Vitale. Hey, friend.

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Hi. And we are really happy to be able to use this gorgeous space. Yeah, awesome.

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The New Jersey Hall of Fame is inside.

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Yeah, inside the American Dream Mall. Right. Which is an experience just to

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walk through, even if you don't stop. Do you remember malls?

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You know, back in the day, we used to go to a mall on a Friday night.

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Like, that doesn't happen anymore. I mean, Fast Times at Regmont High. Yeah.

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You know. Exactly. Yes. I mean, if you're over 18 and you want to watch that

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movie, you can see what life was like at the peak mall culture.

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Yes. However, they have an ice rink here.

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There's just. Yeah, there's so many things. There's so many things.

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We are across from a Nickelodeon theme park. There's a roller coaster.

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There's a roller coaster.

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This is an experience. There's like a whole thing here. Yes.

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But they have this amazing space where they recognize, my goodness,

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hundreds of different, you know, influential people in New Jersey history,

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popular culture, music, politics, space exploration.

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I mean, you name it, there's somebody here that probably represents it. No podcasters.

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It's still a new, you know, that's still a new genre, I guess.

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So we're getting there. Um, and again, a special shout out to our friend,

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uh, Nick Ferroni, who, you know, is such an advocate, advocate,

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you know, an advocate for teachers.

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Um, and when we started our podcast, he was a, an important guest for us,

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but he also like, you know, introduced us to Ali and Isaac and the team that,

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that works here for them to, you know, help us with these multiple cameras and

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these amazing, you know,

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setups and lighting and green screens and, you know, things we don't have.

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So I like to explain I have like a peanut butter and jelly ability to like edit things.

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I'm not a five star chef, but thankfully we have some people that are going

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to help us put together some cool content and put together an amazing episode

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for you guys on our hundredth episode.

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And this is our 100th episode.

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So we started our episode today outside of the New Jersey Hall of Fame.

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And you can see some of the cool exhibits. And of course, we'll be filming some

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other content so that you can see the inside. And we had been here a couple

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of months ago for teachers.

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Educator preview day hosted by a

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teacher's insurance plan uh who you know is our uh

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as our sponsor for this season and we

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you know really of course always want to say thank you to chris

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and emma and the whole team at teacher's insurance plan who just have really

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opened up a lot of doors for us and if you are an educator you get to come here

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for free thanks to teacher's insurance plan they're sponsoring the entry for

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educators i guess you bring your your id and you know,

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they are able to get you a pass for the day to come and check out the space.

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So you can get some. And there's a karaoke studio. Yeah, you can get some,

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you can get some Wetzel's pretzels and you can walk around like it's the,

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uh, what did I see online the other day?

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There was a picture of like girls with the eighties hair, you know,

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like the big eighties hair.

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He's saying that as if, oh, wait, let me just say. Yeah.

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So recently my daughters made their confirmation and they said to me,

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mom, what was your confirmation like? And I said, oh, my goodness, it was pretty crazy.

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Back in 1993, I had the biggest big hair. I looked like a lioness.

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Oh, nice. Okay. It was gorgeous.

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My sister did it for me upside down. And then I put on my cream-colored suit

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that my mother bought at a flea market, new in the wrapping.

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I don't know what truck that fell off of. But, okay, you look great in this, she said.

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The shoulder pads were from, like, 1988.

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My sister gave me a name ring that said Jamie in person. Oh,

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adorable. With, like, a little swoop at the bottom that had little diamonds.

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She was my sponsor. Wow.

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And I remember being very upset with the bishop because when you're 13 and you

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already have forehead acne, putting some holy oil on top of it really...

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Plus the listen the the whole reason there is no ozone layer is because of women like you,

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nothing hits like a rave hairspray yeah oh my god aquanet it was just rave our

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house was rave and my dad used to say i'm gonna come to your house one day and

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spray the back of all of your doors with rave hairspray because he was like

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yeah like a big war on hairspray but they their reply to me was,

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Mom, how much of that story is true?

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About 100% of that story is true. I was like, the entire story is true.

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Yeah. The entire story. So, I mean, you know, what can you say when you're trying

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to capture 100 years ago to them? Because this is our 100th episode. Yeah.

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We have been, this is our third season.

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But when we're describing some of the things that have happened for

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us personally in the last three years yeah

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it has um it's been a crazy fun

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learning and there's also been a lot of you know

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personal changes behind the scenes right we've we went on a journey

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together with our children we've tried to bring you on it

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as well um and you know it's really fun to be able to do this especially you

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know now that we're branching out into spaces like this it's awesome um my confirmation

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our way my confirmation was actually uh i was confirmed by jesus because i was

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old enough for him to do it for.

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I do have a pinky. Of course you do. I absolutely do.

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Um, but no, when we were originally talking about this, uh, I saw a thing online.

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It was like, if you were, if you, um, were a woman in this picture and it was

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like three girls leaning over the mall railing, gigantic hair with like the slurpy icy cup. Okay.

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And it was like, and if this is you,

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you need to schedule your colonoscopy because yes, we are of that age.

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Uh, where we need to I've had two actually, so I'm good.

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Yes. Thank you. Do have a pinky ring.

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It does still exist. It wasn't a pinky ring at first, but because I've got bigger

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now, it's a cross pinky ring. Who was your sponsor?

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My aunt Flora was my sponsor.

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What's your confirmation name? Joseph Joseph Vitali. I think it might be.

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Who knows? Joseph Flora Vitali.

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I think I took Richard as mine. What do you mean you think? No, I didn't.

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I honestly don't remember. I don't. You're putting me on the spot.

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Speaking of confirmations, I proudly was Joe and Tracy's son's sponsor for his confirmation.

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Yes, they were. So his name is now Joseph Jamie Vitali. It is.

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And my daughter was. Yes, my husband was Sophia's sponsor. And we were so proud to do that.

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And so that is, it's wild to think about. That was four years ago already. Yeah.

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Yes. Yeah. But again, we're here and we're, you know, doing something amazing.

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Our goal is to help as many teachers and parents as possible.

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So I know we're kind of waxing poetic on the things that we do.

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But, you know, that's kind of what this show has been for us.

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It's our third space, right? It's a place for us to be not only creative,

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but to have an outlet to talk about the things that we're passionate about, the things that.

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Grind our gears and also be a little bit cathartic for, you know,

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the many things that we have going on in our lives with our parents,

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our family members and stuff like that.

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And did you know, Mr. Vitale, that this space that we're in right now is brought

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to you by Hackensack Meridian Health? I did not know.

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Which is amazing because I have spent more time in Hackensack Meridian Health

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hospitals recently than in malls. Yeah. So, you know.

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Yeah, there's been a lot going on. When you start to parent your parents and

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your husband's parents and all the parents, you spend a lot of time at Hackensack

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Meridian Health Centers.

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And so thank you for building this beautiful space. I noticed it on the door

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while we were getting ready and doing some things and prepping with Isaac.

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And I thought, wow, that really just stuck out to me because what a great thing for them to sponsor.

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Does it give you a little percentage off on the hospital bills maybe? Probably not. Perhaps.

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No, definitely not. But, I mean, good use of the funds. Yeah. Hackensack Meridian.

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Absolutely. Yeah. Do you remember on Z100, or I'm sure, I'm pretty sure it was

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Z100, for those of you that are local to New York, the tri-state area, like we are,

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they used to have this game, I'm sure they still play it, and it was,

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like, Dead or Alive. Yeah.

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And they would ask people, like, is this person dead or alive? Oh, okay.

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And I immediately walk into the New Jersey Hall of Fame and I start doing the

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not dead or alive, but the, like, Jersey, not Jersey.

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Like, are you guys joking me? You know, because how would you know?

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So even though this is our second time here and I did, you know,

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pay attention and look, there's so many things to see when you walk around. Yes.

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And you just, like, wow. Oh, New Jersey?

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Not New. I mean, really? Yeah. Are they from New Jersey?

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You know, there's a few. I know there's some professional athletes like I know

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recently Martin Brodeur was inducted.

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He's a famous Hall of Fame goaltender from the New Jersey Devils who led the

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team to three Stanley Cups, you know, won multiple Vezina trophies, you know, sports.

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No, I was like, oh, Martha Stewart. Yeah. You know, it's like,

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you know that, you know, but then you see them. Oh, yeah.

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Yes. Yeah, it's really eye-opening. And Joe Piscopo, fun fact about Joe Piscopo

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and me, I saw Joe Piscopo once at a Walmart. Did you really?

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Buying some bananas. Okay. And it was like, hey, Joe Piscopo,

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what are you doing here? He was actually outside on the screen when we walked in. Okay.

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Doing a little intro, and that's what I thought of immediately. Yeah.

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Anyone told you that story about Joe Piscopo? No, you never told me that story.

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I did not know. Yeah, in Manahawken by our parents. Oh.

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Yeah. No way. Maybe he was heading to AC and he just needed a little potassium

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on the way. It's possible.

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Very possible. Monkeys never cramp. So that's how it works.

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But yeah, so if you could think back on the 100 episodes that we've had,

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what do you think is one that sticks out to you?

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So is it an episode? Is it a guest? Is it a revelation?

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What specifically? It could be anything. We can jump off in any direction you

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want. So I'm cool with it. It could be an episode to start off with. For sure.

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I, hmm, how far back do I want to go?

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I really remember when we very first started, we were in your kitchen.

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Okay. And we shared a microphone. We did. That we borrowed from a colleague.

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Which I still have and need to give back to him. Uh-oh, never getting it.

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Sorry, Scott. He doesn't care.

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I have, I mean, he's such a, talk about generosity of spirit.

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So I do think back to, are we doing this? Are we really doing this? Oh my goodness.

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Yeah. you know what let's just do it right um and sitting at the kitchen counter

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uh or your kitchen table rather and sharing that microphone and doing some introductions and what happened.

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Like your your neighbor started mowing their lawn it was like the loudest we're

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like uh yeah is this gonna get picked up by the microphone and yes yeah the

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answer is yes so if you listen to our earlier episodes there are definitely

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some uh some growing pains that we had before we had invested in some of our own equipment.

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Yes, and having our headphones and microphones and all the things.

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But I do think back to like, what a great adventure.

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And so if I had to pick something that was my favorite before I started getting

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into maybe some of the people that have influenced me that we've spoken to or

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some of the revelations that we've come to with our own, you know, podcast therapy.

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I definitely think back to those first few episodes that we recorded on the beach.

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Yeah, we did a few of those. Yeah, and you could do the seagulls in the background.

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We recorded at your kitchen table and just said— We did one in your classroom,

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I think, because we were pressed for time and we did an episode on a day after

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school. We did. I love my classroom.

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But it's not the best place for sound. No, no. Huge room, high ceilings. It used to be the—.

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Wood shop so it's very high wide and yeah it's not a but a lot of hard surfaces

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yes um but that those are the those things stick out to me if i'm you know if we're going down like a,

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like a little wayne's world i remember i remember having

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a meeting with um a gentleman named chris nezzy

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uh yeah so we talked to chris um

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i don't remember how we got connected um but the one thing i i a revelation

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for me would be like the podcasting community itself is so helpful and like

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when you ask like hey could you help me with or do you have or do you have a or could you maybe,

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everyone's just like yes it really has been a very um like embracing environment

00:16:11.735 --> 00:16:17.215
which is really cool because like we're you know novices on all of this and

00:16:17.215 --> 00:16:20.995
we're trying to figure out what we're doing And I remember him saying something about, like.

00:16:21.875 --> 00:16:28.375
If you have, like, seven episodes, you're more content than most podcasts because

00:16:28.375 --> 00:16:31.175
they don't last past seven episodes because people give up.

00:16:31.275 --> 00:16:35.255
And we, I mean, look, we had a following of no one.

00:16:35.555 --> 00:16:38.395
Chugga-chugga. Chugga-chugga. I mean, right. Yeah. We literally had a following.

00:16:38.495 --> 00:16:40.695
We were like, we're just going to do this. We're going to send it out to people.

00:16:40.755 --> 00:16:42.475
We're going to start something. We're going to see what happens.

00:16:42.615 --> 00:16:46.235
So when you say, like, build up from the ground floor, like,

00:16:46.295 --> 00:16:47.615
that's literally what this was.

00:16:47.615 --> 00:16:50.615
Like it was literally something Where we said We have no idea What's going to

00:16:50.615 --> 00:16:54.635
happen But we had these Great conversations That we would Would have And we

00:16:54.635 --> 00:17:01.075
would laugh And we would Cry and be upset And curse Which we don't do On these episodes Right But.

00:17:02.075 --> 00:17:06.675
That to me was something I always could think back to that as like we would text back and forth.

00:17:06.935 --> 00:17:10.155
Chris and I was like, hey, congratulations. You have a podcast after we like

00:17:10.155 --> 00:17:13.215
released our first episode. It was probably like a tongue in cheek,

00:17:13.355 --> 00:17:14.475
like, yeah, you got a podcast.

00:17:14.635 --> 00:17:19.175
But like, right. You know, and then another episode and another episode and

00:17:19.175 --> 00:17:21.955
another episode. And then we started like, oh, OK, let's try to do some guests.

00:17:22.115 --> 00:17:25.775
And then we went to, you know, from every other week to, you know,

00:17:25.875 --> 00:17:29.935
every week. I mean, all of those journeys that we took along the way to me were,

00:17:29.935 --> 00:17:36.135
you know, were monumental because there are things that we didn't expect any of this.

00:17:36.215 --> 00:17:38.915
We didn't expect to be on a network with a group of people that are supportive

00:17:38.915 --> 00:17:41.075
and human content. We didn't expect to have sponsors.

00:17:41.295 --> 00:17:46.215
We didn't expect to have like a small social media following and have people

00:17:46.215 --> 00:17:48.515
now reach out to us to want to be on our show.

00:17:48.915 --> 00:17:53.375
Like, that's the craziest thing to us is like, and sometimes it's the wrong

00:17:53.375 --> 00:17:57.575
fit. Like, but, and so, you know, and we've asked some people to be on that

00:17:57.575 --> 00:18:01.995
have said, no, we're too busy or no, that's not the right avenue or we don't

00:18:01.995 --> 00:18:03.595
have a big enough following, which we understand.

00:18:03.775 --> 00:18:08.115
Like, that makes sense for certain people. But like that, that too,

00:18:08.215 --> 00:18:13.775
to me has been like, you know, really cool. Like when we started getting different guests on.

00:18:13.975 --> 00:18:18.235
Yes. And what do you, you know, it really does answer, you know,

00:18:18.335 --> 00:18:22.035
what happens when you just try.

00:18:22.315 --> 00:18:27.975
Yeah. Put yourself out there, take a risk, ask a question, you know, feel people out.

00:18:28.095 --> 00:18:32.255
And I think that that's so cool because especially as teachers,

00:18:32.255 --> 00:18:35.535
that's something that we tell our students all of the time.

00:18:35.815 --> 00:18:41.215
Yeah. And I don't know, as adults, you kind of get sometimes into patterns of

00:18:41.215 --> 00:18:43.215
comfortability and you don't always...

00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:49.859
Find yourself really kind of like pushing or getting out of like what has been a comfortable space.

00:18:50.199 --> 00:18:55.739
So this, I think, is such a fun adventure because it's always something new

00:18:55.739 --> 00:19:00.539
and different and learning and just trying. Like what happens when you try?

00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:05.739
Yeah. And my wife always has said, and it said it to my kids when they were

00:19:05.739 --> 00:19:08.899
young, like if you don't ask the question, then you always know the answer.

00:19:09.219 --> 00:19:12.239
So yeah, I've slid into some people's

00:19:12.239 --> 00:19:15.719
DMs to ask them to be on our show um and

00:19:15.719 --> 00:19:19.039
some people have never responded and some people have um and

00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:21.919
it's really you know eye-opening to see when people are like

00:19:21.919 --> 00:19:24.959
passionate about it and then they come on and we have these amazing talks

00:19:24.959 --> 00:19:27.979
about things that are happening in their classroom or

00:19:27.979 --> 00:19:30.639
the funny content that they make or you know

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we've had themes about executive function and college applications

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and all the things yeah um which

00:19:37.239 --> 00:19:40.039
are continued themes for us that are going to be talked about throughout the

00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:42.959
rest of our season and even thinking about like we

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talk about revelations right like i looked at our

00:19:45.679 --> 00:19:48.839
slate for this year and this is coming out in in april

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Fall. Like, I'm already thinking about who's going to be on in Season 4.

00:21:32.825 --> 00:21:37.345
Like, who's going to be our guest? Did someone say Nick Ferroni? Yeah, I know, right?

00:21:37.405 --> 00:21:41.505
We have people that, you know, are already reaching out to us.

00:21:41.625 --> 00:21:44.345
And I'm like, hey, I'm sorry. Did you see Nick Ferroni as Teacher of the Year

00:21:44.345 --> 00:21:46.585
for him? I did. Congratulations, Nick Ferroni.

00:21:47.985 --> 00:21:52.045
I'm really surprised that, I mean, is that, you know, that that would be the first time for him.

00:21:52.165 --> 00:21:56.145
Yes, I am the Susan Lucci of Teacher of the Year. Poor Joe, I won twice.

00:21:57.885 --> 00:22:01.965
Sorry. Joe's not everyone's favorite cup of tea. Let's just put it that way.

00:22:02.225 --> 00:22:07.305
No, it doesn't matter neither here nor there. But congratulations to Nick Ferroni.

00:22:07.745 --> 00:22:10.185
But no, we're already at like. The Susan Lucci. Yeah, right.

00:22:10.645 --> 00:22:13.245
I appreciate the reference. I don't know. Is she from New Jersey?

00:22:13.565 --> 00:22:15.765
Dead or alive? She's alive. I don't know. She is alive. Yeah.

00:22:15.845 --> 00:22:16.885
New Jersey or not New Jersey?

00:22:17.605 --> 00:22:20.845
I feel like we need to Google this. Oh, my gosh. So, thankfully.

00:22:21.165 --> 00:22:26.525
This is a fun game. Yeah, this is a fun game. Jersey or not Jersey. So, Susan Lucci.

00:22:27.045 --> 00:22:30.365
Go ahead. New Jersey. I hope I spelled it right. Oh. She's so tiny.

00:22:30.405 --> 00:22:33.065
I'm connecting to the internet, everybody. So, you'll have to bear with me.

00:22:33.365 --> 00:22:36.965
She's like a tiny little teeny tiny drop of a lady. No, no, no.

00:22:37.105 --> 00:22:41.085
Where's she from? I don't know. Let me see. Hold on. Susan Lucci.

00:22:45.421 --> 00:22:49.061
Okay, I'm getting there. He's typing everybody. I'm typing everybody. Okay.

00:22:49.661 --> 00:22:52.641
Scarsdale, New York. Born in Scarsdale, New York. So close. Right.

00:22:52.821 --> 00:22:55.841
Very close. She had an East Coast vibe to her that I was, you know,

00:22:56.121 --> 00:22:56.361
feeling. She did. Absolutely.

00:22:56.841 --> 00:22:59.881
Okay, so there you go. On the first round of Jersey, not Jersey.

00:23:00.261 --> 00:23:06.641
Not Jersey. Not Jersey. Okay. Okay, it's okay. I was doing a little salsa dance to Celia Cruz recently.

00:23:07.801 --> 00:23:10.701
Shout out to the Celia Cruz rest stop. I just went there.

00:23:11.301 --> 00:23:17.381
Really? Yes. Oh, God. So every time I pass the Celia Cruz rest area, I yell, Azucar.

00:23:18.281 --> 00:23:23.001
And everyone in the car has to respond with, Azucar. Or you're getting put out.

00:23:23.061 --> 00:23:24.441
You get put out on the highway. That's true.

00:23:25.061 --> 00:23:28.681
So if you ever see two cute blonde girls hitchhiking their way home on the parkway,

00:23:28.801 --> 00:23:30.761
pick them up. Give them a ride home.

00:23:30.901 --> 00:23:33.301
No, they're not that stupid. They know. They'll say Azucar.

00:23:33.701 --> 00:23:36.241
And so we went in. There's no way Drew does. He does. Oh.

00:23:37.001 --> 00:23:40.921
Oh, he does. He's like, Azucar. I'm kind of, you know, I can be scary, too.

00:23:41.041 --> 00:23:45.881
So you're doing it. and no, we went in and what's so cool is that they have

00:23:45.881 --> 00:23:49.401
this beautiful display and they have like some of her wigs and her clothing

00:23:49.401 --> 00:23:51.301
and this is your Sunday wig as

00:23:51.301 --> 00:23:55.301
you talked about before it's not as good as Celia Cruz but we try yes no,

00:23:55.401 --> 00:24:00.541
it's really it's beautiful I guess now so far I've been to the Bon Jovi rest area okay,

00:24:01.221 --> 00:24:05.461
and the Celia Cruz recently I can't tell you the last time I've stopped at a

00:24:05.461 --> 00:24:09.381
rest area because we're always driving I wonder if Judy Blume I'm going to I'm

00:24:09.381 --> 00:24:11.881
going to hit up Judy Blume and see how that's doing and then the Whitney Houston

00:24:11.881 --> 00:24:14.401
is also near us. That's in Union. Yes. That's right.

00:24:14.901 --> 00:24:17.801
I know. I mean, how often do you have to stop at a rest area?

00:24:17.981 --> 00:24:21.441
But Celia Cruz is worth a stop. Yeah, exactly. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah.

00:24:21.841 --> 00:24:25.341
So what would you say do you think.

00:24:26.940 --> 00:24:30.300
Is a guest. Let's hone in on guests, right? Okay. Because last year we did,

00:24:30.300 --> 00:24:33.000
like, Monumental Moments from Season 2. Yeah.

00:24:33.180 --> 00:24:36.200
So we definitely can hit up Monumental Moments for Season 3.

00:24:36.500 --> 00:24:43.180
But what do you think... And you're not allowed to say the Teachers' Convention.

00:24:43.820 --> 00:24:46.660
Okay. Because there's too many people. Because that's just so many people.

00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:52.240
And we've... The avenues that have opened up from the New Jersey Teachers' Convention

00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:55.900
episode have been amazing. Well, that was another thing, too. Like, we decided...

00:24:56.940 --> 00:24:59.800
Let's go to the convention and just do Man on the Street. Let's just go down

00:24:59.800 --> 00:25:03.620
there and put questions in a sand bucket.

00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:05.880
Because it's Atlantic City down by the Jersey Shore.

00:25:06.060 --> 00:25:10.300
And, like, let's just meet with the people, you know, at their little lemonade stands.

00:25:10.580 --> 00:25:13.020
Yeah. Which was something that...

00:25:14.652 --> 00:25:18.232
Joe Nappy had suggested, a former teacher of the year in New Jersey,

00:25:18.472 --> 00:25:21.972
we had on our show and he was like, hey, let's let's let's chat,

00:25:22.132 --> 00:25:24.872
you know, maybe come down and ask those people questions. Sure, let's do it.

00:25:24.992 --> 00:25:28.112
And I think that's going to be something we're going to do, you know,

00:25:28.212 --> 00:25:30.152
often. We're going to do another. You ever want to do that again?

00:25:30.392 --> 00:25:36.832
So anyway, you were saying. So who would you say is a guest that you feel you

00:25:36.832 --> 00:25:38.912
take with you in your classroom?

00:25:39.152 --> 00:25:43.352
Things that maybe they've said that you that have influenced some of your,

00:25:43.512 --> 00:25:48.512
if not daily practices, but things that have influenced you in your in your classroom.

00:25:49.892 --> 00:25:53.112
I'll definitely say right now, just because and I've done it before,

00:25:53.112 --> 00:25:56.832
but just because we had Stephanie Lockenauer on.

00:25:57.932 --> 00:26:03.992
Hey, Stephanie. Hey, Stephanie. Sometimes you meet people and you're just like, wow.

00:26:04.232 --> 00:26:06.992
You know what I mean? Like, she's just an amazing person.

00:26:07.332 --> 00:26:10.832
Just, you know, we talked about her. She's so impressive. And when you talk

00:26:10.832 --> 00:26:16.972
about someone's energy and the like aura that is around them,

00:26:16.972 --> 00:26:20.272
she immediately is magnetic.

00:26:20.572 --> 00:26:25.392
Yeah. You just want to be near her and spend time with her and just sort of

00:26:25.392 --> 00:26:27.012
soak up everything she has to offer.

00:26:27.012 --> 00:26:30.132
Yeah, so we had talked, we had her on the show, we've texted a couple times,

00:26:30.192 --> 00:26:31.612
and I've always done, like,

00:26:31.992 --> 00:26:34.532
we had Movement Monday in our school, where we were doing, like,

00:26:34.592 --> 00:26:37.012
different movement things, and I switched it to Mindfulness Monday,

00:26:37.152 --> 00:26:40.392
which I've done before, but I really took more time into, like,

00:26:40.712 --> 00:26:43.552
because she has a book, Let the Glitter Settle,

00:26:44.092 --> 00:26:46.652
which is Mindfulness Tips and Tricks for Teens.

00:26:47.092 --> 00:26:50.712
It's an excellent book. But anyone can read it. Available on Amazon. Yes.

00:26:51.872 --> 00:26:55.532
I do want to read it with my students eventually. I don't think that's going

00:26:55.532 --> 00:26:58.032
to happen this year, but I definitely it's definitely something I want to do

00:26:58.032 --> 00:27:01.332
in the future. But I think that's something like the class set.

00:27:02.432 --> 00:27:06.272
No, I did not. We were we were talking about that. It's just budgeting wise.

00:27:06.272 --> 00:27:08.072
It didn't work out, but I definitely want to. Yes.

00:27:09.012 --> 00:27:13.252
But I do have I've been doing mindfulness Mondays to try and give some tools

00:27:13.252 --> 00:27:16.532
in the toolbox for for our students who. Yeah.

00:27:17.803 --> 00:27:21.883
You know, it's seventh grade. Right. So so biologically, they're a mess emotionally,

00:27:22.223 --> 00:27:23.603
hormonally, all those things. Sorry.

00:27:25.083 --> 00:27:28.223
So we try to, you know, give them different strategies of box breathing,

00:27:28.943 --> 00:27:30.363
you know, body awareness.

00:27:31.803 --> 00:27:35.303
So it's little things like that that I've started to do. And then I said,

00:27:35.363 --> 00:27:37.403
like, OK, how can I take this one step further? Right.

00:27:38.103 --> 00:27:41.103
And you know it's not anything specific that stephanie talked about

00:27:41.103 --> 00:27:43.823
and i was like what can i do to help shift like some

00:27:43.823 --> 00:27:46.763
of the mindset of behaviors that i'm seeing or

00:27:46.763 --> 00:27:50.383
the way students are acting so i've been doing like these um there's

00:27:50.383 --> 00:27:53.563
a curriculum online it's on the road with steve hartman there's these

00:27:53.563 --> 00:27:57.343
little episodes that get put out by um by

00:27:57.343 --> 00:28:00.663
cbs news and they're always at like the end of like a news broadcast you

00:28:00.663 --> 00:28:03.843
know after all the doom and gloom and everything that's awful there's like

00:28:03.843 --> 00:28:07.323
this heartwarming story of friendship or kindness or

00:28:07.323 --> 00:28:10.303
being neighborly and i'm like there's these teachers across the country

00:28:10.303 --> 00:28:13.183
that have been doing these lessons in their class

00:28:13.183 --> 00:28:15.963
and there's a facebook group and now there's a curriculum that goes along

00:28:15.963 --> 00:28:18.803
with it and i explained to the kids you know i i kind of was following this

00:28:18.803 --> 00:28:21.723
facebook group and i'm like you know facebook old people internet like where

00:28:21.723 --> 00:28:24.463
people go and complain for your mom and people go

00:28:24.463 --> 00:28:27.523
and complain about things um so i started

00:28:27.523 --> 00:28:30.323
implementing like a kindness lesson on

00:28:30.323 --> 00:28:34.043
mondays as well so we're not talking about civics we're not talking about the

00:28:34.043 --> 00:28:38.443
government we're not talking about content we're literally doing an an exercise

00:28:38.443 --> 00:28:42.603
where they watch a video i put some discussion prompts on the board i let them

00:28:42.603 --> 00:28:46.083
talk on their own for a few minutes we come back as a class and discuss things

00:28:46.083 --> 00:28:49.823
sometimes we do a warm-up activity with it so i've been trying to.

00:28:52.572 --> 00:28:56.012
And you feel like that's very Stephanie-coded. Yeah, it is.

00:28:56.132 --> 00:28:59.932
And it's not that I got it from her, but I'm like, okay, how can I take this

00:28:59.932 --> 00:29:04.232
mindfulness idea one step further to do some additional... But her magnetic

00:29:04.232 --> 00:29:08.272
energy pushed you towards doing that. I think our students need it.

00:29:09.912 --> 00:29:13.612
I think everybody needs it. I mean, I don't want to get political,

00:29:13.772 --> 00:29:16.732
but the world's a mess right now, and it's going to be up to our...

00:29:16.732 --> 00:29:20.432
I often joke with my students like when we talk about current events and things

00:29:20.432 --> 00:29:22.712
that are going on and I'm like, here you go.

00:29:22.912 --> 00:29:26.832
This is going to be your problem to fix because these adults can't necessarily

00:29:26.832 --> 00:29:29.572
find a way to agree on how to fix these problems.

00:29:29.772 --> 00:29:33.392
So it's going to be your job to fix it. Yeah. And they kind of look at me and

00:29:33.392 --> 00:29:36.712
I'm like, yeah, so we're going to talk about kindness and empathy and and being

00:29:36.712 --> 00:29:40.092
neighborly and doing things for others and not expecting anything in return.

00:29:40.192 --> 00:29:43.032
And that is a theme that I'm carrying for the rest of the school year.

00:29:43.152 --> 00:29:44.872
I'm going to do those on every Monday. Yeah. Yeah.

00:29:45.566 --> 00:29:49.206
And we're just going to, you know, we're going to power through and do them.

00:29:49.306 --> 00:29:50.786
And, you know, not every kid is into it.

00:29:50.886 --> 00:29:55.906
But if it if it if a little bell goes off for every kid at some point with one

00:29:55.906 --> 00:29:57.746
of those lessons, it's going to make a difference for me.

00:29:57.946 --> 00:30:03.406
So I would say that is something recently that's kind of come from from having our guests on.

00:30:04.506 --> 00:30:08.626
And honestly, I would say secondary, like any of the executive function guests we've had.

00:30:08.746 --> 00:30:12.886
I try to pull something that they're doing to help with executive function skills

00:30:12.886 --> 00:30:15.846
with with our students that are in the class. Yes. Yeah.

00:30:16.386 --> 00:30:22.346
I know. I don't know. With technology, I think that there's been a lot of things

00:30:22.346 --> 00:30:26.426
that have been happening with tech specifically and tech in schools.

00:30:26.806 --> 00:30:32.246
And, you know, some of that, you know, the idea of that being pulled back,

00:30:32.426 --> 00:30:37.246
which I find very interesting. and, you know, talking to people and what side they're on.

00:30:37.406 --> 00:30:43.846
Also, teacher retention and, you know, how we're getting teachers in the classroom,

00:30:43.846 --> 00:30:47.606
how we're getting them to stay in the classroom. Yeah.

00:30:47.866 --> 00:30:54.426
And so there's been like a lot of, to me, you know, the idea of things that

00:30:54.426 --> 00:31:00.086
are really affecting teachers and students.

00:31:00.386 --> 00:31:02.566
And I find all of that.

00:31:03.301 --> 00:31:06.981
Endlessly fascinating. Yeah, I agree. Yes. And so to hear different people's

00:31:06.981 --> 00:31:13.461
perspectives on that, to hear, you know, what people do to balance it. Yes.

00:31:13.621 --> 00:31:19.021
Because, you know, part of the idea of executive functioning is how do you organize your life?

00:31:19.041 --> 00:31:23.081
How do you organize your thoughts, your responsibilities?

00:31:23.701 --> 00:31:27.321
And what that comes down to is like the balancing act of it all.

00:31:27.541 --> 00:31:31.721
Yeah. And how people do or do not. Right.

00:31:32.021 --> 00:31:36.201
And so there's been some terms and some things I think that have been so so helpful to me.

00:31:36.341 --> 00:31:42.361
And I really find myself as someone who is like highly organized and capable

00:31:42.361 --> 00:31:47.241
of of handling handling a lot of things at one time. You think?

00:31:50.181 --> 00:31:57.501
But what I've noticed recently, and I think is probably really such a helpful

00:31:57.501 --> 00:32:03.081
thing that has been so good for me, is, you know, we talk to the kids about,

00:32:03.301 --> 00:32:05.441
you know, what happens if something happens?

00:32:05.741 --> 00:32:10.981
And how do you respond, right? So, you know, are you a fight or flight?

00:32:10.981 --> 00:32:13.981
And you know recently we've added

00:32:13.981 --> 00:32:16.781
like this idea of like wow there's also fight flight

00:32:16.781 --> 00:32:25.541
or freeze yes and how you know oftentimes people just freeze um and so i you

00:32:25.541 --> 00:32:30.701
know in talking to so many of these doctors and experts in their respective

00:32:30.701 --> 00:32:36.061
fields about um teaching or parenting or how that overlaps sometimes,

00:32:36.701 --> 00:32:42.441
I have understood the idea of a functional freeze and,

00:32:43.091 --> 00:32:47.411
more so than I ever really understood or appreciated before.

00:32:47.891 --> 00:32:54.791
And, you know, I realized that is something that I do as a defense or really

00:32:54.791 --> 00:32:58.571
like a self-saving practice.

00:32:58.791 --> 00:33:02.831
So when people say, like, how do you have a podcast and you're a mom of three

00:33:02.831 --> 00:33:06.851
and you're a full-time teacher and you're taking care of your dying mom,

00:33:07.051 --> 00:33:09.591
you know, how do you do all of these things?

00:33:10.311 --> 00:33:13.931
You and i realized wow like i'm a

00:33:13.931 --> 00:33:17.811
very affectionate partner to

00:33:17.811 --> 00:33:22.631
functional freeze and i didn't really know that how much of a like definition

00:33:22.631 --> 00:33:26.491
of that or how important that was to me um or and i didn't realize how common

00:33:26.491 --> 00:33:31.911
of a term it has become um which i appreciate very much because it's something

00:33:31.911 --> 00:33:36.891
that i've even said to people like recently we had to make some plans And I'm very social.

00:33:37.071 --> 00:33:39.351
I like, you know, I like to go out. I like to do things.

00:33:39.651 --> 00:33:45.051
And I am a planner. But what has become like an area of my life that has been

00:33:45.051 --> 00:33:47.651
very difficult for me is like making the plans.

00:33:47.651 --> 00:33:50.651
You you we we had a conversation before coming

00:33:50.651 --> 00:33:53.691
here and i know you've had a lot going on in in your personal life

00:33:53.691 --> 00:33:56.831
outside of uh outside of all of

00:33:56.831 --> 00:33:59.731
this um and i know you she texted me last

00:33:59.731 --> 00:34:03.011
night and was like what am i doing tomorrow just

00:34:03.011 --> 00:34:05.991
tell me i don't want to make any decisions so yes and

00:34:05.991 --> 00:34:09.851
i live my life by two rules which are do what women tell you and don't tell

00:34:09.851 --> 00:34:15.231
women what to do so you made me break one of my rules um which is okay because

00:34:15.231 --> 00:34:22.411
i know that you kind of needed that in that moment um and i also am at a point

00:34:22.411 --> 00:34:24.611
for a variety of reasons uh.

00:34:26.212 --> 00:34:29.952
And you're part of it. Like, my nervous system is shot right now.

00:34:30.532 --> 00:34:33.192
I'm very, like, I'm in a fight or flight mode myself.

00:34:34.012 --> 00:34:37.232
And part of it is I'm worried about you, friend, with some of the things that

00:34:37.232 --> 00:34:41.872
you're going through. As well as, you know, life in general.

00:34:43.592 --> 00:34:47.352
So there's some of that, too. Where, like, this allows me that space to,

00:34:47.472 --> 00:34:49.072
like, kind of, oh, you're dancing.

00:34:49.212 --> 00:34:52.412
There's music in the background here. Someone's like, is this Mace?

00:34:53.612 --> 00:34:56.472
Mace is the place, you know? That's right. Back in the day. It's like my maiden

00:34:56.472 --> 00:35:00.192
name was Mesia. That's the ADHD is coming through.

00:35:01.652 --> 00:35:05.332
So no, but this is, you know, definitely. So how do you balance it?

00:35:05.452 --> 00:35:07.672
It's like lately my answer is functional freeze.

00:35:07.892 --> 00:35:14.152
Yeah. So I get everything done that I need to get done. And then I say, I can do no more.

00:35:14.792 --> 00:35:17.572
And whatever that might mean for. I'm sorry.

00:35:17.792 --> 00:35:21.152
Yeah, I interrupted you when you were. No, like whatever that might mean for

00:35:21.152 --> 00:35:26.572
me is not the same thing that it might mean for you or for Isaac, shout out Isaac. Yeah.

00:35:27.032 --> 00:35:31.852
You know, whomever it is that is dealing with a lot because we all are dealing with a lot.

00:35:32.052 --> 00:35:35.752
Yeah. All of the time. And you've allowed me, you know...

00:35:36.754 --> 00:35:42.974
I think who I've learned and what I've taken from the most in this podcast is honestly you. Oh.

00:35:43.754 --> 00:35:47.194
No, because I think you're a fantastic educator, but your perspective on a lot

00:35:47.194 --> 00:35:51.054
of things I appreciate because it allows me to, like,

00:35:51.514 --> 00:35:56.654
sometimes it corroborates what I'm thinking, but sometimes it questions what

00:35:56.654 --> 00:36:00.194
I'm thinking or doing and allows me to look at things through a different lens,

00:36:00.214 --> 00:36:04.754
which helps me, like, realize.

00:36:05.374 --> 00:36:08.694
Ditto, buddy. That I might, yeah, that I might be either A, going in the right

00:36:08.694 --> 00:36:12.494
direction or B, I need to not do this and go in a different direction because,

00:36:12.794 --> 00:36:16.614
you know, for a variety of reasons, I'm a high, strong individual.

00:36:17.754 --> 00:36:23.194
You know, we have, I really strongly believe that we have a genetic code that

00:36:23.194 --> 00:36:26.374
we bring with us in so many situations.

00:36:27.454 --> 00:36:34.894
And sometimes there is just nothing that we can do about that.

00:36:34.894 --> 00:36:38.194
And sometimes there's a ton that we can do about it, you know,

00:36:38.494 --> 00:36:45.314
but the idea of having the podcast to be able to question, wonder, I mean,

00:36:46.034 --> 00:36:51.354
think, talk, run through it, question back and forth, I think has been really.

00:36:51.354 --> 00:36:53.834
And we get to talk to a lot of great educators.

00:36:54.114 --> 00:36:58.054
Like that's, that's the cool thing about it. And from all over the country,

00:36:58.074 --> 00:37:00.534
I mean, there's some people that we're talking with that I'm excited to,

00:37:00.674 --> 00:37:02.414
you know, possibly have on next season.

00:37:02.554 --> 00:37:05.634
There's some people that have, have released some, some funny content recently,

00:37:05.634 --> 00:37:09.374
um, that I've been reaching out to and trying to get on the show just because,

00:37:09.474 --> 00:37:11.634
and a lot of people are like, well, I've never been on a podcast before.

00:37:12.014 --> 00:37:17.394
It's so funny that we're like, we're like a lot of people's first podcast, which is really cool.

00:37:17.794 --> 00:37:22.614
Yeah, we are. We're gentle. We're kind. We are. We take it easy on you.

00:37:22.714 --> 00:37:25.354
We're not going to push you so much.

00:37:25.794 --> 00:37:28.994
Yes. How many people we would have to definitely have to go back and look.

00:37:29.154 --> 00:37:35.074
It is remarkable how many people say like, oh, this is my first podcast.

00:37:35.394 --> 00:37:37.374
Recently, someone had a rash.

00:37:38.842 --> 00:37:42.062
Broke out in a rash really joe being joe

00:37:42.062 --> 00:37:44.962
oh joe was like oh you're right there what's happening

00:37:44.962 --> 00:37:48.182
with your neck what what was

00:37:48.182 --> 00:37:51.782
this is that you me what okay

00:37:51.782 --> 00:37:54.702
i seriously have zero i know you do i know it's so

00:37:54.702 --> 00:37:57.362
great i don't think we've talked about this and he was like what's going on

00:37:57.362 --> 00:38:02.882
here and she's like i don't i don't and i was like oh my goodness she is so

00:38:02.882 --> 00:38:08.062
nervous okay you know we have that effect on people okay well we're gonna have

00:38:08.062 --> 00:38:11.602
to talk okay so now i have the complex again and she really she did she got

00:38:11.602 --> 00:38:15.082
a red but it was hives it was like nerve hives oh my goodness,

00:38:15.702 --> 00:38:19.462
yeah i pointed it out like look at that thing it was like joe you are the focus

00:38:19.462 --> 00:38:26.582
of the episode maybe don't say that yeah uh yeah so i can't talk about someone's

00:38:26.582 --> 00:38:29.342
cats or i can't point out your Rache. I got it.

00:38:30.522 --> 00:38:34.842
So what's so really, really quick. What's next for us?

00:38:35.442 --> 00:38:39.382
You know, we don't know, but we are, you know, already planning on a season four.

00:38:40.502 --> 00:38:45.402
Are you in it? Joe always says to me, you still doing it? Yeah. Are you still in?

00:38:45.742 --> 00:38:49.142
Well, I'm not making any decisions because I do what women tell me.

00:38:49.142 --> 00:38:51.022
She's like, duh. Yeah. That's her response.

00:38:51.362 --> 00:38:54.202
Yes, we're still in. Yeah. So we're definitely planning some stuff.

00:38:54.202 --> 00:38:57.242
But over the next three weeks,

00:38:57.242 --> 00:38:59.902
things will be a little different um with the

00:38:59.902 --> 00:39:02.982
balancing act podcast because we're going to be focusing on

00:39:02.982 --> 00:39:05.642
um we're calling it it's themed it's called

00:39:05.642 --> 00:39:09.222
a tech reset right so we're going to be talking with three different guests

00:39:09.222 --> 00:39:14.222
uh for the next three weeks uh some returning guests and some new ones um about

00:39:14.222 --> 00:39:18.782
technology in the classroom and how it's changing how it's changed education

00:39:18.782 --> 00:39:23.182
what are some trends that are happening why are people like you said earlier

00:39:23.182 --> 00:39:25.462
pulling back um you know,

00:39:26.022 --> 00:39:29.842
looking at maybe talking about what Australia is doing with social media and

00:39:29.842 --> 00:39:33.082
their teens to make sure that anyone under the age of 16 is not able to access

00:39:33.082 --> 00:39:37.102
it, which I'm sure the smart kids have already found a way to get around it. So...

00:39:37.628 --> 00:39:40.388
I'm really excited about that that's a different format for us

00:39:40.388 --> 00:39:43.348
so we're going to have like three different episodes all themed around uh

00:39:43.348 --> 00:39:48.128
technology and it's change in the classroom so that's coming up for us um and

00:39:48.128 --> 00:39:52.708
we we have some returning guests coming on this season we're going to be re-reviewing

00:39:52.708 --> 00:39:58.028
um and going through the the college selection process for our kids because

00:39:58.028 --> 00:40:02.028
we're we're landing on that now yeah the big reveal for everybody which you

00:40:02.028 --> 00:40:03.148
know everyone's excited about.

00:40:04.288 --> 00:40:07.268
So yeah I mean that's something that's definitely coming up for us

00:40:07.268 --> 00:40:10.748
what do you think Joe do you think for our 100th episode we

00:40:10.748 --> 00:40:13.628
should do our ad read together we should

00:40:13.628 --> 00:40:16.228
we're gonna try and do our ad read together is that

00:40:16.228 --> 00:40:20.748
we're gonna do I think we'll do great okay what do you think I mean you know

00:40:20.748 --> 00:40:26.288
okay sure we're really like like together together like at the same time in

00:40:26.288 --> 00:40:30.828
unison okay ready this makes me nervous sure are you counting us down like one

00:40:30.828 --> 00:40:35.408
two three go or like Are we going on one or after one? What are we doing here?

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That was a little cringe. I'm not going to lie. I loved it.

00:41:02.048 --> 00:41:05.268
Together wherever we go. Oh, good Lord.

00:41:05.468 --> 00:41:09.768
Okay, so we invite you definitely, if you are in New Jersey,

00:41:09.948 --> 00:41:13.328
to take the trip and come and see the New Jersey Hall of Fame.

00:41:13.708 --> 00:41:15.388
You could definitely spend a day here.

00:41:16.428 --> 00:41:19.448
Visit the various, you know, displays that they have. Get your karaoke on.

00:41:19.448 --> 00:41:22.548
Get your karaoke on. There's really cool stuff. There is really cool stuff here.

00:41:22.828 --> 00:41:27.248
Whether you're a history buff or someone who's just interested in all things

00:41:27.248 --> 00:41:30.828
New Jersey, it's definitely a cool place to come and see. And the American Dream Mall is nothing to...

00:41:31.497 --> 00:41:34.857
Shake a stick at, I guess. It's pretty cool to come and walk around.

00:41:35.057 --> 00:41:37.797
I think it's been a few weeks here. You could. Yeah. A lot of cool stuff. Yeah, absolutely.

00:41:38.097 --> 00:41:41.857
Yeah, for sure. So as always, I appreciate you, friend.

00:41:42.057 --> 00:41:47.217
Mr. Vitale, I appreciate you. I appreciate these 100 episodes. Yes.

00:41:47.537 --> 00:41:53.037
And we hope that you have all enjoyed taking this journey with us and stay along

00:41:53.037 --> 00:41:57.277
for the ride for what's to come. A hundred more. Why not? Let's give it a try.

00:41:58.057 --> 00:42:01.417
All right. Cheers, everybody. We'll see you all next time on The Balancing Act Podcast. Bye.

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